Israel & Palästina (Sammelthread)

  • [...] Was allerdings nicht mehr geht ist, den Terrorangriff der Hamas vom 7. Oktober als eine Art "Hilfeschrei" zu bezeichen in einem Konflikt, der von der Weltöffentlichkeit vergessen worden war.


    Ich würde sagen, der - ungehörte - Hilfeschrei war der Marsch der Rückkehr an die israelischen Grenzzäune um Gasa vor einigen Jahren. Die Angriffe ab dem 7. Oktober waren ein Gewaltausbruch von Leuten, die sich nicht in das ihnen zugewiesene Schicksal fügen wollen.

  • Was hier so schockierend ist, man schaltet CNN ein und es hört sich an wie Democracy Now:


    https://twitter.com/TawabHamidi/status/1725341684580438091


  • https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/1725519042943873237



    Ich glaube der Fachausdruck ist "amateur hour".

  • Die "linke" Tageszeitung berichtet von einem weiteren Antisemitismus-Eklat im Kulturbetrieb um die Documenta:

    Documenta-Kommission tritt zurück: Lähmende Polarisierung

    Die Findungskommission für die künstlerische Leitung der Documenta 2027 ist zurückgetreten. Das liegt auch an antisemitischen Aussagen eines Mitglieds.


    Wenn man einfach nur diesen Artikel liest, muss man den Eindruck bekommen, Frau Lichtenberg-Ettinger sei wegen des mutmaßlichen schlimmen Antisemitismus ihres indischen Kollegen Hoskoté von der Komission zurück getreten. Tatsächlich schreibt die Documenta in einer Pressemitteilung selbst dazu folgendes aus Lichtenberg-Ettingers Rücktrittserklärung:

    [...] In a letter to all those involved, Bracha Lichtenberg Ettinger cites the current situation in the Middle East as the reason for her decision. In her resignation letter, she stresses her decision is in no way connected to the current debate surrounding Ranjit Hoskoté. Instead, she refers to the difficulties she faces in contributing to the work of the Finding Committee after the events of October 7, 2023 and the start of Hamas' terrorism in Israel. Against this backdrop, she had previously requested an interruption to the selection process, which – after discussions with all members of the Finding Committee and the other stakeholders – was not instituted at the time given the very advanced stage of the selection process. [...]

    Hoskoté, der kurz darauf zurücktrat, schrieb in seiner ebenfalls von der Documenta in einer Pressmitteilung veröffentlichten eigenen Rücktrittsbegründung folgendes:

    [...] Members of the German commentariat who have no acquaintance with my life and work have judged, denounced and stigmatised me on the basis of a single signature on a petition, taken out of its context and not approached in the spirit of reason. I have been written about with harshness and condescension, and none of my detractors has thought it important to ask me for my point of view. I feel, strongly, that I have been subjected to the proceedings of a kangaroo court. It is clear to me that there is no room, in this toxic atmosphere, for a nuanced discussion of the issues at stake. And now – in what strikes me as a doomed attempt to save a situation that is beyond saving – I am being asked to accept a sweeping and untenable definition of anti-Semitism that conflates the Jewish people with the Israeli state; and that, correspondingly, misrepresents any expression of sympathy with the Palestinian people as support for Hamas.

    My conscience does not permit me to accept this sweeping definition and these strictures on human empathy. Such a definition and such strictures have been opposed by prominent Jewish thinkers such as the philosopher Omri Boehm, the historian Moshe Zimmermann, the columnist Gideon Levy, the philosopher Michael Marder and many, many others, who reject the equation of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. A system that insists on such a definition and such strictures – and which chooses to ignore both criticality and compassion – is a system that has lost its moral compass. I say this with the greatest sadness. [...]

    Die nun geschlossen zurückgetretenen restlichen Komissionsmitglieder haben dazu am 16. November, also noch vor dem Bericht in der taz, selbst einen offenen Brief veröffentlicht:

    Documenta Resignation Letter

    Simon Njami, Gong Yan, Kathrin Rhomberg, and María Inés Rodríguez

    [...] We do understand that in view of its past, Germany has distinct social and political responsibilities. The great sensitivity towards all anti-Semitic tendencies bears eloquent witness to the extent to which the nation has internalized this responsibility. The ongoing fulfilment of this very responsibility deserves the greatest appreciation, especially now, when alarming signs of deep-rooted anti-Semitism are once again making themselves felt around the world.

    At the same time, however, this awareness of special responsibilities runs the risk of being misused for opinion politics in order to suppress undesirable approaches and their broad and open discussion right from the start. Instead of debate and discussion, over-simplification and prejudgments are thus all too easily substituted.

    It is this emotional and intellectual climate of over-simplification of complex realities and its resulting restrictive limitations, which has been prevalent since documenta15 and especially against the background of the current crises our world is facing, that makes it impossible for us to conceive of a strong and signal exhibition project, and consequently to allow for a responsible continuation of the selection process to determine a curatorial concept for documenta16.

    In the current circumstances we do not believe that there is a space in Germany for an open exchange of ideas and the development of complex and nuanced artistic approaches that documenta artists and curators deserve. We do not believe that any acceptable conditions can be created in short term and consider it to be disrespectful of documenta’s legacy to simply remain content with the current situation.[...]

    Es ist natürlich nicht falsch, wenn die taz-Autorin schreibt, die restlichen Komissionsmitglieder seien "Unter dem Eindruck einer derartigen Polarisierung" zurück getreten. Aber dass die in ihrem eigenen offenen Brief ganz klar benennen, dass sie ganz spezifisch in der deutschen Debatte eine höchst einseitige und antipluralistische Polarisierung feststellen, die eine ernsthafte Künstlerische Auseinandersetzung mit dem derzeitigen Weltgeschehen unmöglich mache, lässt man als gute deutsche Qualitätskulturjournalistin dann doch lieber unter den Tisch fallen.

  • Es ist schon faszinierend:


    2048


    Alternative moralische Instanzen mit Ansichten, die nicht der Staatsräson entsprechen, müssen geächtet werden. Vorallem diesen kleinen Zukunftsterroristen als die eine halbwegs vitale politische Bewegung muss klar gemacht werden, dass sie mit ihrem Klimascheiß, für den sich sowieso keiner interessiert, nicht mehr zu kommen brauchen, wenn sie jetzt ausscheren. Konsensmanufaktur, um die deutsche Seele zu schützen.

  • Es ist schon faszinierend:



    Alternative moralische Instanzen mit Ansichten, die nicht der Staatsräson entsprechen, müssen geächtet werden. Vorallem diesen kleinen Zukunftsterroristen als die eine halbwegs vitale politische Bewegung muss klar gemacht werden, dass sie mit ihrem Klimascheiß, für den sich sowieso keiner interessiert, nicht mehr zu kommen brauchen, wenn sie jetzt ausscheren. Konsensmanufaktur, um die deutsche Seele zu schützen.


    Der wirklich grottenschlechte SPIEGEL-Artikel über Nazi-Gretel ist auf englisch frei lesbar:


    https://www.spiegel.de/interna…tm_medium=twitter#ref=rss


    ...Was dazu führt, dass er jetzt international in ausführlichen TwiX-Threads mit Zitaten als journalistische Glanzleistung gefeiert wird 8):



  • Das bestätigt mich nochmal hierin:


    Nun, man sieht einfach, dass wir in der Frage eine kleine Insel sind. Ich sehe sogar ein, warum man von hier aus kein Verständnis dafür hat, warum es woanders anders ist. Denn das zu verstehen, ist meines Erachtens bereits sehr nah am Zusammenbruch der vom Israel- gleichgesetzt mit dem Holocaust-Primat geprägten Haltung.


    Ist wie mit dem Habeck-Video, das eifrig untertitelt wurde, weil man gedacht hat das Ausland kann davon profitieren. Ich meine ist ja nicht so, dass es in anderen westlichen Ländern nicht auch die deutsche Staatsräson als Haltung gibt, durchaus auch dominant oder sogar dominierend. Bloß die Gegenposition ist nicht so unterdrückt und wird so mit einer wahrgenommenen Fremdgruppe assoziiert, weil ein wirklicher Deutscher sie sich nicht leisten kann.

  • Bedauerliche Verwechslung das Al-Shifa-Krankenhaus befindet sich nicht im Norden in Gasa-Stadt sondern in Chan Yunis im Süden:


    https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1725490030666207601


  • Ich glaube ich verstehe jetzt auch, warum das alles so amateurhaft gemacht ist...

    Es muss einfach nur für den senilen Opa Sepp reichen.


    Hier wird auch ne Theorie dazu geäußert. Im wesentlichen das ganz freie und öffentliche ausleben der eigenen Narrenfreiheit. Die Gegner werden so maximal verspottet.


    https://thedigradio.com/podcas…s-ep-1-w-richard-seymour/


    Zitat

    Global Palestine Politics Ep. 1 w/ Richard Seymour

    15 Nov 2023

    Featuring Richard Seymour on the global politics of the Palestinian struggle and Israel’s war on Gaza. The first of a two-part interview.

    [...]

    Topics: Colonialism Imperialism and Foreign Policy internationalism Israel nationalism Palestine Richard Seymour Settler Colonialism United Kingdom US Politics
    Guests: Richard Seymour

  • Haben die Israelis kleine palästinensische Kinder und Babies ins Gefängnis gesteckt, oder sind das vielleicht tatsächlich eher "junge Leute", also Teenager, die sie für militante Mitglieder der Hamas-Jugend halten, weil sie z.B. Steine auf israelische Panzer geworfen haben?


    Hier gibt es übrigens eine Aufstellung dazu:


    https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody


    Wenn für die Tabellen das gleiche gilt, wie für das Diagramm, sind das wohl immer Angaben zum Stichtag nicht aggregiert für den Zeitraum. Die Inhaftierung unter 14 Jahre ist demnach sehr selten, 14-16 Jahre häufiger, aber der Großteil der Minderjährigen ist im Alter von 16-18 Jahren.

  • Was hier so schockierend ist, man schaltet CNN ein und es hört sich an wie Democracy Now:




    Vielleicht bekommt er ja Asyl in Deutschland?

  • Der jetzt vom wagnenknechtschen Lumpemputinismus befreiten Linkspartei kann man dabei immerhin noch zu Gute halten, dass sie nicht so begeistert von der unbedingten Kriegstüchtigkeit als Staatsräson sind. Aber wenn die es bei der nächsten Wahl nochmal zur Fraktionsstärke bringen wollen, werden sie nicht umhin kommen, sich den Sachzwängen der regelbasierten Ordnung anzunähern

    Also wenn ich es richtig verstehe hat der Berliner Ex-Senator Lederer sich darüber echauffiert, was der Parteivorsitzende in seiner Rede auf dem Parteitag nicht dazu gesagt hat, dass ein spanischer(!) Abgeordneter der europäischen Linken im EU-Parlament den UN-Generalsekretär zitiert, und dann - wie einige andere Linke ebenfalls - den Rücktritt von unserer deutschen Uschi gefordert hat, weil die sich so bedingungslos, und ohne dafür als Komissionspräsidentin überhaupt legitmiert zu sein, im Namen der ganzen EU hinter die Regierung Netanyahu und ihren Rachefeldzug in Gaza gestellt hat.



    :S


    Immerhin, Genosse Klaus - Staatstragend.

  • https://therealnews.com/did-is…ts-own-civilians-on-oct-7


    Zitat

    DID ISRAEL’S MILITARY KILL ITS OWN CIVILIANS ON OCT. 7?

    Testimony from survivors of Al Aqsa Flood, combined with the documented past actions of Israel’s armed forces against captured soldiers and civilians, raise questions about what really caused the high Israeli death toll.

    [...]

    Zitat

    Chris Hedges: There’s growing evidence that in the chaotic fighting that took place once Hamas militants entered Israel on October 7, the Israeli military decided to target not only Hamas fighters but the Israeli captives with them. Tuval Escapa, a member of the security team for Kibbutz Be’eri, told the Israeli press, that he set up a hotline to coordinate between kibbutz residents and the Israeli army. Escapa told the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, that his desperation began to set in. “The commanders in the field made difficult decisions, including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages.” The newspaper reported that Israeli commanders were, “Compelled to request an aerial strike against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza in order to repulse the terrorists who had seized control.”

    [...]

    Zitat

    Max Blumenthal: Well, thanks, Chris. I’m still trying to piece together what happened on October 7. One reason that I’m left investigating even after this report that I thought was comprehensive was that in the face of so much death and destruction caused by Israel’s military in Gaza – Which is basically tantamount to genocide. You have systematic killing in Gaza – Everyone I know there has … Luckily I don’t know anyone who’s been killed, but everyone I know there has lost neighbors or relatives. They’ve all lost their homes. So the Israeli military and the Prime Minister’s office, Netanyahu’s office, are recycling October 7 atrocities and they’re also introducing new deceptions in order to try to keep the media’s lens focused on October 7 now that it is starting to hone in on the horror of Gaza. We have all these new stories about babies baked in ovens, we’ve heard stories about babies cut out of mothers’ wombs by so-called Hamas terrorists, rape, gang rape, women after being taken, gang raped in the streets in Gaza City.

    All of these lies were spun out. The 40 beheaded babies was repeated by Biden, who claimed he’d seen photographs. All of these lies were repeated and put forward in order to give Israel the latitude to carry out this genocidal assault that we’re now witnessing.

    [...]

    Zitat

    The official story, which has been told to Americans and Israelis, is that Hamas “terrorists” stormed into Southern Israel and began shooting and killing people at random. Then burned them alive, tied up entire families in their homes, and then burned them all, somehow, melted cars and burned people in their cars as they were trying to flee, and carried out this gigantic mass shooting. It does appear clear that many Israeli non-combatants were shot by Hamas gunmen but that’s where the official story stops. What I was able to determine from these testimonies, as well as basic and visual analysis of the photos that the Israeli Foreign Minister and Foreign Ministry and Prime Minister’s office were putting forward, was that Israel used disproportionate force on its own citizens in order to dislodge a politically driven military offensive by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which was aimed at extracting political concessions from the state of Israel, which had been besieging the Gaza Strip for 15 years. So you read one of those testimonies, and I guess we can go into some detail about them and how I came to my conclusions.

    [...]

    Zitat

    So you have action at Erez Crossing, and then you have Kibbutz Be’eri, which is the site that registered the most casualties of non-combatants. I counted something like 150 among the confirmed death toll printed at Haaretz and most of them, they were not soldiers. These were people who were caught in the crossfire, Hamas gunmen had tried to take them captive, and there were standoffs in their homes. And by the time Israeli special forces arrived, many of those standoffs had either ended or they ended them simply by shelling people’s homes with tanks.

    According to Yasmin Porat, who had fled the electronic music festival – Which had come under attack, which was held right between Kibbutz Be’eri and Kibbutz Rahim, which also have military bases essentially embedded within them – It was held on the road between these two kibbutzim and came under attack. Many captives were taken. This woman, Yasmin Porat, fled to Kibbutz Be’eri, went into a home with her partner, and then they were taken captive momentarily by gunmen. She recounted to Israeli National Radio that when the Israeli special forces arrived, they started shooting everyone and that most of the captives, along with the Hamas gunmen, were caught in the crossfire, and that everyone was killed except for her and her captor, who used her as a human shield in order to guarantee his own safety when he surrendered.

    She saw her own partner, whose hands had been bound by her captors, get shot by Israeli special forces, and then they lobbed two tank shells into the home that she had been in. So if you look at the pictures of Kibbutz Be’eri, they look like the homes in Gaza that I’ve seen, or you may have seen that came under shelling from Israeli tanks and Israeli artillery. There’s no way that Hamas gunmen could have done that much structural damage to this entire kibbutz with the small arms that they were equipped with; Kalashnikovs and some RPGs.


    Zitat

    I24, an Israeli Foreign Ministry-sponsored propaganda network, actually went to this kibbutz on a guided tour and said they saw tank tracks everywhere. It’s obvious what happened there and it was stated clearly by the security coordinator of Kibbutz Be’eri, who you quoted at the top of this interview. He was on a hotline with the Israeli Military Command and they decided to shell houses on top of their occupants, including Israeli civilians. Now, why were they doing this? As you mentioned, there’s the Hannibal Directive, this once-secret directive that was introduced after Israel entered into a major prisoner swap with I believe the PFLPGC, which operates out of Syria in exchange for Ahmed Jabril and hundreds of other prisoners in order to get back some Israeli soldiers who had been taken in the Lebanese Civil War.

    [...]

    Zitat

    But back to the Hannibal directive. We have to question whether it was put into play on October 7. Because we not only have the Erez Crossing where many soldiers were killed – And if you look at the aftermath, the roof was clearly brought down. There’s serious structural damage to the roof of Erez Crossing – You have Kibbutz Be’eri where there was tank shelling, and then you have these Apache helicopter pilots in the air who were stating in their testimonies in Hebrew to Israeli media that they had no intelligence, no way of distinguishing civilian from combatant on the ground.

    And yet they were told to empty their tanks, completely unload their ammo, then head back to the base, get filled up again, reload, and then go shoot as many cars and people as they could on the ground. Pure chaos. These testimonies have been totally ignored, by the way, by Western media.

    [...]

    Zitat

    What we do know is there were orders from the top to kill Israeli civilians if Hamas gunmen were around them in order to get the gunmen. And it’s like the same military doctrine that’s being employed in Gaza: Any civilian is a target if they are the “terrorist’s next-door neighbor.” Israel actually calls it the Neighbor Policy. They don’t know any other doctrine. They don’t have any other means of targeting and they weren’t prepared, obviously, for this military onslaught. So they went to their core doctrine of bombing everything in sight.

    [...]

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