Cold War Reloaded - Der neue Ost-West Konflikt

Zitat von Wemir

Sind schon dolle Geschichten, die der Bennett da erzählt.

Absolut.

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Warum soll Selenskyj dieser Zusage vertraut haben?

Keine Ahnung. So ist das nunmal. Man muss immer selber puzzlen. Aber wem sage ich das.

Der Ballon schwebt nicht mehr. Die Falken am Himmel sind Zugvögel und wollen nach Asien ziehen. Sie wenden sich ungeduldig ab von den europäischen Fingerübungen. Es wird Zeit, Dolchstoßlegenden vorzubereiten. Zelenskis Säuberungen zielen jetzt auf Klitschko.

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Noch ein schönes 1.Hand-InfoPiece den UA-Krieg betreffend - Interview mit Naftali Bennet (dam. isrealischer Staatschef) zu seiner (Mediatoren)Rolle kurz vor und während des Ausbruchs des Krieges bis hin zu den Friedensverhandlungen im März zwischen RU&UA:

-Treffen mit Putin kurz vor Ausbruch

-Warum fühlte sich Selenski so sicher

-Friedensverhandlungen im März und der Abbruch durch den Westen

Die generierten Untertitel EN sind absolut brauchbar.

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Wenn man eh nur die Untertitel lesen kann, kann man die sich auch direkt im Transkript ziehen.

Ach und so wie ich das sehe ist das nicht der automatische Untertitel, also hat da wer sich die Arbeit gemacht.

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2:20:21

You enter Putin's palace, which is surreal, he's with people… you know…

tell me what went on there. It began before that. Before the war, maybe two months,
I met with Putin for the first time in Sochi.
The meeting was around five-six hours long. And he…
we discussed many topics, including general topics such as military history
and the role of the USSR in World War II. He likes the fact that I voice the truth,
that the main force that defeated the Nazis, make no mistake, was the USSR, the Red Army.
Do you say that because you know it will flatter him? I say it because it's true historically. But did you know you'd say that?
I didn’t know enough about him, I read a book about him, etc…
I bought it at Barnes & Noble. -In view of the meeting. –Yes.
But I certainly knew the meaning of World War II,
they call it the Great Patriotic War. It's at the core of the Russian ethos, especially for Putin.
There's no diminishing it, they beat the Nazis. And at the heaviest price, they don't like to be reminded
that at the onset of the war they signed a pact with the devil, Molotov-Ribbentrop,
they both invaded Poland. That's for another day. –Yes. Ben Ben, film me nodding, as if I understood.
So they made an awful deal in August 1939.
He learned a lot about you too, right? That you were a hitman, he says that to you often. He discovered that in '95 I was presumably considered
the IDF champ in taking out Hizbollah terrorists. He was very impressed.
We talked about the army, about perceptions, and we talked a lot about Iran and Syria.
This was before the war, Russia the great superpower…
And very significant to Israel because of the north. –For many reasons,
including its presence in Syria with S-300,
the world's most advanced surface to air missiles. And there's no talking to him about Russian politics, he's not pressured…
Less Russian politics, but… You said the leaders are always more focused on themselves… -Right. I was interested in what's going on among the Russian people,
so not politics in that sense. -Yes. Okay. And he's very… -Is he intelligent? -Very smart, very sharp.
Scary too? -Not scary. Sense of humor? -A little, yes.
Elkin was the interpreter, I hoped he was translating correctly and not saying… -Yes. –But…
He went in with a supermarket bag, that thing he was involved in. Yes, that was fine.
And in these instances I always respect my predecessor, Netanyahu. I never badmouth Bibi or the State of Israel when I'm overseas…
So did you achieve anything in 4-5 hours? Yes. According to foreign sources,
shortly after that many things happened in Syria that didn’t happen before.
Basically, what I can say? There was friction in recent years vis a vis the Russians in Syria
and that restricted our activities so I made sure that Israel would have free rein in Syria
and that was manifested in the last 18 months. –Did he ask for anything in return? No, it doesn’t work that way.
He has his interests in Jerusalem,
Russian real estate, all kinds of… -Symbolic stuff. –Yes.
He struck me as pro-Semite, he likes Jews very much.
He had Jewish neighbors who raised him as a kid. –Yes. His teacher who lives in Israel. -And he did a very nice thing,
he bought her an apartment… -Yes. There are two sides to him, I'm not denying the other side.
The racist side. Did he wear a sweatsuit? At the end of the conversation he said, "let's walk along the shore."
So we did, the estate in Sochi is huge. it's a resort town. –Was this on Friday?
Yes. And we walked along the shore. -Just so the listeners know, this was before the war. -Yes.
You're walking on the shore… And he said, "I never invite people to my private home on the estate
"but I'm inviting you." I can't say for sure if that's true or not. He took me in the house, there was an 'n' shaped bar.
And two interesting things happened at that bar. Before that, two days before I left I got a call
from this guy, Zelensky, the leader of Ukraine, I heard he's a Jew, a comedian, Hanoch Daum turned prime minister…
Something like that. -God forbid. And he asked me nicely if I can ask Putin to talk to him,
to meet with him. I waited with that, we've been there some 5.5 hours,
we're talking, and then I say, oh, Zelensky asked me to ask you if you can meet.
He was the nicest man up to then and his gaze turned cold.
"They're Nazis, they're warmongers, I won't meet him.
"They're pro-Nazis." Now, he has an entire theory and narrative
surrounding this issue. If we go back to World War II, Ukraine definitely was an accomplice at certain times…
Were you shocked by his answer? I was surprised when his demeanor changed. Second… he had liquor.
Now, I don't like alcohol, whiskey and the like.
Wine is the most I can drink. But the wine isn't kosher.
So… he removes a bottle of wine, I look at Elkin and say, tell him that I don’t want wine now.
"Then what will you have?" I don't know what to ask for, I'm no expert. Gin and tonic on the rocks…
"Would you like vodka?" -Was he pouring the drinks? Yes, it was the three of us. –Wow. -Me, him and Elkin the interpreter.
So I said… he has vodka in his hand, so I said yes.
So I had to drink vodka. -Was it disgusting? That's rough. Imagine if you got drunk. -Yes.
He was very courteous and and we formed a relationship that will soon manifest, before the war.
You got stuck there on the Sabbath. -Yes, I stayed in the hotel. He was very courteous.
He heard that my wife is a chef, that she was a dancer, he invited us to St. Petersburg, he realized I got stuck on the Sabbath.
He didn’t understand so I explained, I can't on the Sabbath, so he sent a basket with lots of nice things, including bacon.
He didn't know. Cheese and meat… -Hilarious. He was very courteous and hospitable. –Okay.
So we formed a relationship in Sochi, we talked on the phone about all kinds of matters,
but meanwhile things with Ukraine were starting to heat up.
December, 21st of January.
I'm not too preoccupied with it at the time, I'm not familiar with the map and Ukraine…
not a major issue to me.
I'm overseas, I don’t remember if it was Bahrain or the Emirates,
and the Americans are saying that war is imminent, there's a debate whether or not to invade.
So what I focus on is getting Israelis out as quickly as possible.
I think it was on the 24th… -From Ukraine? –Yes. Because… I'll tell you something in general.
When it comes to the world, foreign policy and all that, my focus is on Israel's interests.
That may be a narrow view, but my primary focus is on… Your people. -My people.
Soon the strategy will come to light in this regard. The war breaks out.
Do you want to get the Israelis out or the Jews? The Israelis at this point. -Okay. And based on the policy are you thinking
that this is war? They're going in and… The entire world thinks that this invasion will be a piece of cake.
There's not that much talk of conquering Ukraine, more of defeating Ukraine.
Everyone knows that Zelensky is finished, America suggests Zelensky seek refuge with them,
this is public information. I started studying the topic.
When a new topic comes up I want to understand what the strategy of each side can be,
but the world fully understands there's no competition in this regard.
The war breaks out and I'm instantly between a rock and a hard place.
On the one hand, the Americans clearly expect,
this is largely led by the Americans, that we all rally for Ukraine.
On the other hand, I have two opposing interests.

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so in etwa für den ersten Link. Ka?

Grad nich in der Stimmung das von Hand zu formatieren, aber selbst so noch angenehmer und vor allem schneller zu lesen, als als Untertitel im Videostream.

Auf der pro-russischen Seite gibt es die Behauptung das wären offen zur Schau gestellte Chemiewaffen:

https://twitter.com/JohnEdgarC…tatus/1622317391559417857

Ich denke das ist die Quelle:

https://t.me/robert_magyar/390

Das was gesagt wird verstehe ich natürlich nicht und die Maschinenübersetzung vom Begleittext ist auch nicht sehr aufschlussreich:

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БАДА-БУМІВ 🧨🧨🧨 на всі хробачі пукани ВИСТАЧИТЬ!

Раз звечора не виставив, то зранку до недільної кави нехай буде.

UPD:

🧨червона цукерка: в-во ШАМАН, 63 бр;

🧨чорна цукерка: в-во МАЯК (не завод та не магнітола), вибухо-ініційована Шаманом;

🐝Мольфар-дрон : Сашко РАМА (ПМ)

🔥плата ініціації: Г-А продакшн, народний збір 5000шт для ЗСУ

😂холодильник: шафозамінник

ПМ: Очі та Жало

МАДЯР🇺🇦

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Via Google Translate:

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BADA-BUMIV 🧨🧨🧨 GENUG für alle Wurmfurze!

Wenn ich es abends nicht ausgemacht habe, dann lass es morgens zum Sonntagskaffee sein.

AKTUALISIERT:
🧨rote Süßigkeit: Schamane, 63 Einheiten;
🧨schwarze Süßigkeit: im LEUCHTTURM (nicht in der Anlage und nicht in der Radiostation), durch den Schamanen ausgelöste Explosion;
🐝Molfar-Drohne: Sashko RAMA (PM)
🔥Initiationsgebühr: G-A-Produktion, öffentliche Sammlung von 5.000 Stück für die Bundeswehr

😂Kühlschrank: Schrankersatz

PM: Augen und Stich
UNGARN 🇺🇦

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Angeblich wird Resnikow als Verteidigungsminister ersetzt werden und dieser Budanow wird als Nachfolger gehandelt.

https://kyivindependent.com/na…-replace-defense-minister

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Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov will likely be dismissed from his ministerial post next week, Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda reported on Feb. 5, citing government and military sources.

According to the sources, the likely replacement for Reznikov is understood to be Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine's military intelligence agency HUR

Immerhin wird auch davon ausgegangen, dass er auf einen anderen Posten verschoben wird, anstatt ganz aus der Regierung auszuscheiden:

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Upon dismissal, Reznikov could be appointed to a new post as Justice Minister, as “no one in the Presidential Office has any doubt” that Reznikov should stay in the government, according to the Ukrainska Pravda article.

https://www.reuters.com/world/…idential-ally-2023-02-05/

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Budanov, 37, is an enigmatic intelligence operative decorated for his role in classified operations who rapidly rose through the ranks to head up Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence

Der ukrainische Putin?

Die Ungarn sollen jetzt auch eine Art Säuberung durchführen, in diesem Fall ihrer militärischen Führung. Das wird hier als Versuch NATO-Einfluss zu beseitigen interpretiert:

https://www.ft.com/content/95c…e6-4f36-a440-88113cb49db3

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The law adopted by the Orbán government allowing the defence minister to sack anyone over 45 has raised eyebrows among Nato allies, as it potentially decimates a generation that spent most of its career within the military alliance.

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Hungarian opposition MP Ágnes Vadai, a former junior defence minister, said the move would “destabilise the military’s morale”, noting that many of the sacked officers “learnt the ropes within Nato”. “Their connections have often helped to counterbalance the bad taste left by Orbán’s politics in Nato and the EU’s military establishment,” she said. “Their departure is a huge setback.”

Petr Pavel, the former Nato general who was elected the new Czech president at the weekend, described the military purge as a “continuation” of Orbán’s “restrictions on all those who had a different view”.

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“This is serious, not silly,” said a senior military figure from a Nato state of Orbán’s purge. “But the tricky issue for Nato is that we can’t go around telling governments who they can and can’t pick to be generals.”

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Péter Wagner, a defence policy expert at the Institute for Foreign Affairs and Trade, a government think-tank based in Budapest, said even if Orbán wanted to purge pro-Nato officers in favour of pro-Russian ones he would not succeed as the younger generation was just as Atlanticist as the one that was dismissed.

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Keine Ahnug ob das so stimmt und die 1 Million $ als Kosten für die Aktion scheinen doch ein bisschen übertrieben, aber auf diversen Videos sieht es schon so aus, als hätten die den Ballon aus der Hölle tatsächlich mit einer Rakete abgeschossen.

Ich glaube eher, die Kosten waren 10 Mios (das legen auch die ',' nahe, da fehlt nur eine '0'). Ich habe davon gehört, dass die den teilweise mit 7 Flugzeugen verfolgt haben. Das Ding flog wohl in 18km Höhe, deswegen Jet + Sidewinder zum Runterholen.

FYI: Die F-16 und die F-35 haben eine "Dienstgipfelhöhe" von ca. 15km. In dieser Höhe macht der Pilot aber nichts anderes als zu hoffen, dass sein Triebwerk nicht ausfällt.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35

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FYI: Die Militaristen auf twitter behaupten allerdings, dass es weder eine F16 ("Mehrzweckkampfflugzeug") noch eine F35 ("Tarnkappen-Mehrzweckkampfflugzeug") war, sondern eine F22 ("Luftüberlegenheitsjäger").

Und die hat, laut Wikipedia, eine "Dienstgipfelhöhe" von "durchgehend 19.820 m".

Bämm!!! Kampfjetquartett gewonnen!

Na dann: Gratulation!

Ach, und der Einsatz der F-22 kostet nix? Du hattest ja angezweifelt, dass die Kosten so hoch gewesen sein könnten?

Freiheit ist eine Währung, deren Wert nicht in Geld dargestellt werden kann.

Na für fünf Stück wird das wohl nicht reichen. Wir haben Inflation!

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Keine Ahnung. ein paar zigtausend Dollar für Sprit und Wartung wird's schon gekostet haben. Aber 10 Millionen?

Zur Höchstzeit waren 10 Flugzeuge in der Luft, 3 Tanker (bis 100.000 Kg Tankfüllung) , ein Haufen Kampfjets und ein paar Helis - das über längerne Zeiz - da wurde schon viel Sprit "verblasen".

Canada hat in einem Schwertransport-Cargo 1 Leo von Canada nach Polen geflogen, nur damit der in der Ukraine verbrennt - vielleicht durch deutsche Antipanzerraketen.

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Ich habe jetzt nämlich beschlossen Militärexperte zu werdenn, das scheint eine zukunftssichere Beschäftigung zu sein.

Ah, vorsicht mit solchen Prognosen. Dabei fällt mir ein, was macht eigentlich diese österreichische Excel-Dulli jetzt so, der während der Pandemie so zukunftsreicher Statistik-Influencer und Bustourunternehmer wurde? ... nah, wie hieß der noch?

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Ach, scheiss Internet. Das wird sich nie durchsetzen.

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Aber hast Du dafür Quellen, damit ich das analysieren kann?

Anscheinend haben die kleineren Jets keine Transponder angeschaltet, da würden ja nicht grundlos 3 Tanker rumfliegen.

Ich war Virusexperte, Aktienexperte, Klimaexperte, Kontostandexperte und jetzt Militärexperte - ich behalte mir vor Asteroidexperte zu werden wenn nötig.