China [Sammelthread]

    Naja, hinter dieser Art Überschriften hat sich auch schonmal irgendein und sei es übertriebener Vorfall verborgen. Diesmal hatte ich allerdings nach Überfliegen der Artikel den Eindruck, dass sich eine größere Konfrontation eigentlich nur in der Phantasie der westlichen Journalisten abgespielt hat. Baerbock war da, sie hat gesagt, was sie immer sagt, Kritik und Forderungen, die chinesische Seite auch, aber indirekter, und das war es.

    https://www.taipeitimes.com/Ne…ves/2024/12/06/2003828061


    Zitat

    China expected to launch new exercise


    INTIMIDATION: In addition to the likely military drills near Taiwan, China has also been waging a disinformation campaign to sow division between Taiwan and the US


    Beijing is poised to encircle Taiwan proper in military exercise “Joint Sword-2024C,” starting today or tomorrow, as President William Lai (賴清德) returns from his visit to diplomatic allies in the Pacific, a national security official said yesterday.


    Sie sagen es hier nicht dazu, aber ich denke deshalb wird das angenommen:


    https://www.reuters.com/world/…n-sources-say-2024-12-05/


    Zitat

    Taiwan president speaks with US House Speaker Johnson, China warns of 'red lines'


    TAIPEI, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Taiwan President Lai Ching-te said on Thursday he spoke with House Speaker Mike Johnson and other U.S. congressional leaders during his visit to the Pacific, as China called the Taiwan issue a "red line" not to be crossed in Sino-U.S. ties

    Zitat

    The fundamental geopolitical problem in the world today is that Xi Jinping does not fear us.

    The fundamental intellectual problem of western politicians and journalists today is, dass die nie kapiert haben, dass sie eigentlich von ihrer eigenen "rules based Order" reden, wenn sie beklagen, dass in der Welt nicht "das Recht des Stärkeren" gelten dürfe, weil diese "Regelbasierte" Ordnung bis vor einigen Jahren immer noch so funktioniert hat, dass die USA und die NATO der Stärkere waren und sich daher das "Recht des Stärkeren" einfach heraus nehmen konnten, die Regeln der internationalen Ordnung zu machen, und dass solche Unholde wie Xi Jinping, Wladimir Putin und eine Menge anderer Herrschaften außerhalb des inzestuösen westlichen Gedankenzirkels das längst verstanden haben.

    Jahresend-Ralley oder großes Geo-Wichteln? Jeder hat einen Schlag frei : )


    Vielleicht machen sie auch nur alle nervös.


    Zitat von Wemir

    Sie sagen es hier nicht dazu, aber ich denke deshalb wird das angenommen:


    https://www.reuters.com/world/…n-sources-say-2024-12-05/

    Zitat

    Taiwan president speaks with US House Speaker Johnson, China warns of 'red lines'


    Die Financial Times stellt diesen Zusammenhang her:


    https://www.ft.com/content/0e0…bf-49e0-aea9-8f7dac958792


    Zitat

    China starts military movements after Taiwan leader’s first foreign trip


    Beijing’s aviation authorities have partially restricted swaths of airspace, indicating imminent military activity


    China has started naval and air movements over an area spanning hundreds of kilometres off its coast and in the western Pacific, indicating that its latest military exercise aimed at Taiwan could be broader in scope than two previous rounds this year.

    https://www.newsweek.com/us-st…wing-china-threat-1997468


    Zitat

    US Stages 'Historic' Island Defense Drills Amid Growing China Threat


    The United States and two of its allies in the Indo-Pacific region are conducting a trilateral island defense drill, countering threats posed by China.


    Exercise Yama Sakura 87, which means "mountain cherry blossom" in Japanese, kicked off on Friday and is scheduled to run for nine days. More than 7,000 military members from the U.S., Australia and Japan are participating in the drill in multiple locations across three allied nations.

    Zitat von Wemir

    Du meinst, die haben das Treffen zwischen Johnson und dem taiwanischen Präsidenten auf den Zeitpunkt der Übung abgestimmt, so dass eine eventuelle chinesische Reaktion propagandistisch gekontert wird?

    Ich meine, dass ich mir nicht sicher bin, ob es diesen von der Financial Times konstruierten Zusammenhang zwischen dem Treffen und dem chinesischen Manöver wirklich gibt. Sowas plant man doch in der Regel schon etwas länger im Voraus.

    Als Pelosi damals in Taiwan war, ging es doch auch einigermaßen schnell. Klar, der Besuch war vorher angekündigt, aber ich vermute seit dem haben die Chinesen so eine Reaktion auf Abruf.


    Hat ja auch noch gar nicht begonnen. Gibt sogar die Spekulation, dass es etwas anderes sein könnte:


    https://abcnews.go.com/Interna…-taiwan-remains-116626921


    Zitat

    Is it a military drill? China deploys ships and planes around Taiwan but remains mum


    China’s secretive military appears to be up to something around Taiwan, but it’s unclear whether it’s a formal military drill

    Scheint als würden die unerklärten chinesischen Militäroperationen die Taiwaner besonders verunsichern, natürlich durchaus verständlich:


    https://apnews.com/article/tai…819f2d32e3a6d9b9635c7aa53


    https://twitter.com/ianellisjones/status/1866292256837124538


    Zitat

    Gen. Smith: “The advantage lies with us because our last combat was captured on somebody’s iPhone 14...


    The Chinese’ last combat was captured on oil and canvas, and they should not forget that...


    I would not undersell the value that our combat experience brings to this fight.”


    Diese komplett unbegründete Selbstgewissheit. ;( Der Chinesisch-Vietnamesische Krieg war 1979.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news…e-francis-over-china-pact


    Zitat

    NCR interview: Nancy Pelosi criticizes Pope Francis over China pact


    Former speaker discusses loss of the Catholic vote, generational change in the Democratic Party


    Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi criticized Pope Francis' recently renewed pact with China, telling the National Catholic Reporter in an interview that the Vatican has disregarded the Gospel by permitting the Communist government to meddle with the Roman Catholic Church in China.

    Zitat

    One matter where Pelosi is in sync with conservatives is the Catholic Church's China policy. Pelosi appeared incensed over the Vatican's China agreement, the precise details of which have never been made public. First announced in 2018 and twice renewed, most recently in October, the deal marked a significant milestone in a relationship long strained by internal tensions between China's state-supervised Catholic church and an underground church loyal to the Vatican.


    Pope Francis has appointed about 10 bishops under the deal since it was first made in 2018. Pelosi echoed conservative anti-Communist Catholics and religious freedom advocates who have blasted the arrangement by quoting a passage of the Gospel of Matthew that is a cornerstone of the Roman Catholic Church. "Let me say it this way, 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.' Every bishop has sprung from that rock. And now, the Chinese government?" Pelosi said


    Ich bin mir sicher, niemals in der Geschichte der katholischen Kirchen gab es weltlichen Einfluss darauf, wer Bischof wird.


    Zitat

    Pelosi's criticism of the pontiff over China stands out given that he has taken a gentler approach on culture war issues, [...]


    Geht also nur um China.


    Aber apropos Stein, soll gefallen sein, Pelosi. Europäischer Marmor, sehr hart.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/…-independence-2024-12-13/


    Zitat

    After days of military activity, China restates its hard line on Taiwan


    BEIJING/TAIPEI, Dec 13 (Reuters) - China's defence ministry on Friday broke its silence about days of military activities around Taiwan, saying it was entitled to stage exercises and the military would "not be absent" if required to fight separatist forces

    Zitat von Utan

    hier bei uns gilt seit der intellektuellen #Zeitenwende ja generell, dass empirische Daten, oder tatsächliche Erkenntnisse [...] völlig überbewertet sind, so lange man grob verstanden hat, wer in diesem Schwarzweiß-Epos die Falschen und wer die Richtigen sind.


    "[...] First of all, “What Is to Be Done?" is anything but obscure, it's widely considered one of the most influential Russian literary works of the 19th century. So influential in fact that Lenin reportedly read it five times in one summer and declared "it completely reshaped me."

    In a Western context it's like saying: "President Biden is guided by an obscure and unreadable 19th novel. The name of which is 'Les Misérables' by a certain Victor Hugo"...


    Second of all, the evidence for the claim that “What Is to Be Done?" is Xi's "spiritual guide" is the fact he quoted from it in his recent speech at the BRICS summit in Kazan, Russia. When the far more likely reason he did so is simply to be respectful to his hosts by showing he valued their cultural heritage. It's pretty standard diplomatic stuff for leaders to reference literature from the host country.


    But the funniest part is how the article then goes on to suggest that because Xi referenced the book it somehow reveals a sinister plan to destroy the West.

    I'm not even kidding. Here's what Xi actually said in his speech (https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202410/24/content_WS67196533c6d0868f4e8ec3b9.html):


    "Should we allow the world to descend into the abyss of disorder and chaos, or should we strive to steer it back on the path of peace and development? This reminds me of a novel by Nikolay Chernyshevsky entitled What Is to Be Done? The protagonist's unwavering determination and passionate drive are exactly the kind of willpower we need today." (Xi Jinping)


    And here's how the NYT interpreted it:


    "[Xi] invoked, as a spiritual guide for the task ahead, an 1863 Russian novel that glorified revolutionary struggle and inspired Vladimir Lenin. Mr. Xi has frequently drawn on Russia's historical and literary tradition to convey his intent to undermine — and ultimately displace — Western ideas and institutions. But by urging a spirit of revolutionary sacrifice within BRICS, a group that is expanding to include new member-states, Mr. Xi is signaling an intent to rally the developing world for an intensified struggle against American power." (The New York Times)


    Such a stretch can no longer even be called intellectual dishonesty, it's outright fabrication. What makes this particularly egregious is that Xi has written numerous books and hundreds of articles laying out his worldview and objectives in minute details. There's literally an entire book series called 'Xi Jinping: The Governance of China' where he meticulously explains his vision for China's development and its role in the world.

    But instead of analyzing these works, the NYT authors chose to build their entire thesis around a single literary reference in a diplomatic speech, twisting it beyond recognition to fit their predetermined narrative. It's of course immensely telling that they have to resort to such desperate gymnastics...


    What's particularly ironic is that in the very same speech where Xi makes this literary reference (which again you can read here: https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202410/24/content_WS67196533c6d0868f4e8ec3b9.html), he outlines in plain language his actual priorities for BRICS, and it's literally all about peace, justice and development.


    Here's his "sinister plan", straight from the horse's mouth:


    "We should build a BRICS committed to justice, and we must all act as forerunners in reforming global governance. The international power dynamics are undergoing profound changes, but global governance reform has lagged behind for a long time. We should champion true multilateralism and adhere to the vision of global governance characterized by extensive consultation, joint contribution, and shared benefits. We must ensure that global governance reform is guided by the principles of fairness, justice, openness and inclusiveness." (Xi Jinping)


    Makes you shudder, doesn't it?


    The real danger here isn't just bad journalism – it's how this kind of reporting, so typical of Western media's China coverage, shapes public understanding and policy decisions. When major newspapers feed their readers these paranoid interpretations, twisting calls for peace into declarations of war and filtering everything through the lens of conflict and confrontation, they create an environment where any attempt at constructive dialogue with China is seen as naive or suspicious. Which is probably the whole point.


    This is the article in question https://nytimes.com/2024/12/15/opinion/china-brics-xi-jinping-trump.html "

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/wo…w-to-come-for-china-next/



    Die wollen wohl sagen, falls die Chinesen dachten, dass sie sich von dem syrischen Großmächte-free-for-all fernhalten können, der levantinische Boden verlangt seinen Tribut.

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